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What's the anthropological evidence for endogenic plurality? (I already believe it exists btw I just like research.)
Hi! Sorry it took me so long to respond, but I’m always seriously thrilled to get to stretch my anthropologist bones.
The anthropological evidence lies in experiences of multiplicity throughout the world! Historically, this has usually taken the form of some type of belief in possession and/or trance state.
One of the earliest publications noting possessive states across a large variety of cultures was TK Oesterrich’s Die Besessenheit (1921), which you can read on the internet archive translated into English here. (Note: contains very racist, degrading language)
There are even works on autopsies performed in order to seek out physical evidence of the “witches” possessing people (Evans-Pritchard, 1937).
Most notably, the work of anthropologist Erika Eichorn Bourguignon delves deep into the world of ritually sanctioned dissociation, trance, and possession, especially among Haitian people. She notes that culturally accepted dissociation in the form of multiplicity “provides the self with an alternate set of roles… in which unfulfilled desires, ‘unrealistic’ in the context of the workaday world, get a second chance at fulfillment” (Bourguignon, Spirit Possession, 57).
She explicitly outlines the non-traumagenic nature of possession trance, noting this perfectly normalized form of plurality as “based on a conception of the human person as consisting of multiple separate elements, body and soul (or multiple souls)” and notes that multiplicity often empowers the individual. (A Companion to Psychological Anthropology, 376).
Just a few of the many cultures that have observed endogenic plurality in the past and/or currently are the Azande people of Africa, the Havasupai of North America, the Jivaro of South America, Jewish folk practitioners especially in Eastern Europe and Ethiopia… and of course, the most well-known examples of possession in the western world come from Christianity.
TLDR Denying the existence of endogenic systems is fundamentally racist, erasing hundreds, if not thousands, of years of evidence of non-traumagenic plurality.
Thanks so much for letting me infodump!
#system speaks#answered asks#education#did education#plural education#actually plural#anti endo okay to interact but be respectful come on#this is your time to sit down and learn#endogenic positivity#endogenic plurality#Systempunk#pluralpunk#actually did#system positivity
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To be anti-endogenic systems is to be, at the most fundamental level, anti-plurality.
And as a traumagenic system who adores my headmates, whose plurality got them through the most dangerous situations time and time again, I just can’t stand with that.
My headmates will always be my closest family. Anyone is allowed to have that.
#system speaks#traumagenic#pro endo#did osdd#actually did#dissociative identity disorder#actually plural#pluralgang#plural education#just plural things#syscourse#endo stigma#anti endo dni#sysmeds dni
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Prompt #1,347
In a world where plurality is common knowledge, Person A has a required class session learning about it.
#pluralgang#plural system#plurality#pluralprompt#prompt blog#prompt#society#school#any tone#plural education
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TERMS FOR NONSPEAKING ALTERS
Voisic (pronounced voy-sick) - An alter who is always capable of speaking
Non-voisic - An alter who is never capable of speaking
Semi-voisic - An alter who is capable of speaking a little bit
Hemi-voisic - An alter who is capable of complete speaking half the time (aka voisic sometimes, non-voisic other times)
Voisicflux - An alter whose ability to speak fluctuates
Choice Voisic - An alter who could speak if they want to but chooses not to.
THESE TERMS ARE FOR TRAUMAGENIC SYSTEMS ONLY! WE ARE ANTI-ENDO.
#actually a system#actually traumagenic#anti endo#system#system education#did osdd#did system#didosdd#dissociative identity disorder#osdd#system things#osdd system#traumagenic system#plural system#system stuff#actually plural#sysblr#alters#dissociative system#alter roles#did alter#alter role#alter terms#alter term#alter role coining#role coining#alter coining#system coining#system terms#anti endo system coining
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An Introduction to Plurality (1/2)
(text: Hi everyone! Quinn here. This comic is going to be the first in a series about plurality, which is a fascinating and extremely misunderstood topic, and one very close to me. So, without further ado... Title text: "What is Plurality?" Plurality is the phenomenon where multiple self-aware entities are housed in one person's brain. It is often conflated or grouped with schizophrenia, but the two are unrelated. This is very important! If someone is plural, it does not imply that they are schizophrenic whatsoever! Not that there's anything wrong with being schizophrenic, though! A person who's plural is called a system, or collective. They often use the pronouns we/they, but of course anyone can have any pronouns, so ask them if you don't already know theirs. You can think of a plural system like a group of roommates. Except instead of an apartment, they have a body. [Panel shows woman with a house inside her. One person is sleeping in a bed, the other reading a book.] Individual members of a system, or headmates, can often communicate with each other by thinking, like an internal telepathy. Others may write letters to their headmates, or make voice recordings. It's simply a matter of what works best for them. They can also take turns being in front -- that is to say, being in control of the main body. This is why a plural individual can seem to "switch personalities" at certain times and seem like a different person. They objectively ARE a different person. In fact, it can be problematic if you DON'T treat your own headmates like real people. [Panel shows headmate crouched, thinking "Am I even real?] They can struggle with emotional issues just like anyone else! If they are denied from expressing themselves, they can exhibit anxiety and depression, which will be felt among the whole system! [Panel shows the host's hand reaching down to the headmate and saying "Yes you are."] Therapy for systems often involves the host talking to their headmates, taking them seriously, and allowing them to have time in front so they can learn about themselves.)
#art#comics#pen and paper#plurality#multiplicity#headmates#alters#system communication#system pride#system education#fronting#plural experiences#life as a system#comic#mental health comic#self care#support#plural system
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A kind reminder
That systems who use parts language aren't less of a system
That systems are allowed to enjoy and benefit from a parts-focused framework
That parts language means different things to different systems, and no one defines it the same way
That anyone and everyone is allowed to use parts language
That parts language says nothing about the validity, autonomy, or realness of the system, alters, or parts
That parts language is only dehumanizing if you view it as such, and that you need to be incredibly careful about how you talk about parts language and those who use it
Parts language is personal and unique to each of us, much like healing choices, like fusion or functional multiplicity
Don't let anyone make you feel bad or wrong about a framework that has helped you
Show the same respect for parts language that you would about any other personal choices
#because some of you are pieces of shit and you deserve to know it#judgmental dicks incapable of a single nuanced thought#uneducated fools who have zero idea what parts language is or where it actually came from#stop listening the fucking tpa they're the worst for perpetuating myths and dehumanizing CDD systems for their personal choices#you know who the fuck you are#you are showing so much disrespect and a complete lack of education and you're blaming others for your inability to use Google#syscourse#anti endo#pro endo#system safe#parts language#syscourse engaged#plural#plurality#PARTS CAN BE PEOPLE TOO#did#osdd#actuallydid#actuallyosdd#actually dissociative#actually traumagenic
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Here’s some positivity for school-based headmates!
Many systems may find that school causes them to form new headmates. Whether it’s to cope with bullying, harsh teachers, or difficult schoolwork, whether it comes from a place of boredom, curiosity, or distress, no matter why school has caused your system to form new headmates, those headmates are a valued and important part of your system! This post goes out to y’all!
📚 Shoutout to headmates who formed to help with school subjects or complete schoolwork or homework!
📝 Shoutout to headmates whose role is to protect their system from bullies or mean teachers!
📓 Shoutout to headmates who voluntarily took over the job of fronting at school!
📚 Shoutout to headmates who front at school, but still struggle with assignments, learning, tests, or other school-based responsibilities!
📝 Shoutout to systems without friends at school whose headmates help each other cope with loneliness and isolation!
📓 Shoutout to headmates who formed to handle school punishments like detention, writing sentences, missed recess, principal office visits, silent lunches, or in school suspension!
📚 Shoutout to introjects who have school based exomemories or exotrauma!
📝 Shoutout to queer, disabled, BIPOC, intersex, and other marginalized systems whose identities made them a target for mistreatment by students and teachers alike!
📓 Shoutout to trauma holders who hold painful memories from school!
📚 Shoutout to systems who are seriously struggling in school, but who have no choice but to go!
📝 Shoutout to systems who are no longer in school, but who still deal with the aftermath of harm and trauma caused to them while they were attending!
📓 Shoutout to headmates who love school and who did everything possible to ensure their system’s academic success!
Regardless of how your system originated or what your education was like, school can be difficult and traumatizing for anyone. If you or another member of your system formed because of or in order to help with school in any way, please know that you are treasured and valued just the way you are. Your worth is not tied to your role, and you will still be wanted and cherished by your system and by the plural community long after you graduate or leave a school setting.
If your system is still attending school, we hope that you all can find the courage and strength to persevere until graduation. Know that struggling in school or requiring other headmates to support you through your education does not make you weak, foolish, or stupid. It’s okay to do whatever it takes to survive and keep your system safe. We care about you, and we are wishing your whole system the very best, both inside and outside the classroom. Thanks so much for reading, and have a great day!
#plurality#pluralgang#multiplicity#actuallyplural#plural positivity#system positivity#plural pride#system pride#school#trauma#education
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this isnt what i normally post but it's important to me that i say this
before you block me, please just hear me out
it scares me how much of alterhuman tumblr (and alterhumans in general) support(s) endogenic systems
systems are people who experienced severe repeated trauma before the age of nine. by removing the trauma factor its impossible to form alters.
before you turn nine, every emotion is a different state of self. (thank you @/quoigenicfromhell for helping me to understand this bit better) essentially you are a different person when you're hungry, happy, sad, scared, etc. when you experience such severe trauma that your body decides it's unsafe for your personalities to merge, THATS when you become a system.
Severe Repeated Childhood Trauma.
that is how systems form, thats literally how it works. the trauma factor is what makes the system a system
i wouldnt say im anti-endogenic, more like i'm endogenic cautious.
again i am all for hearing people out, please tell me your thoughts in the reblogs or comments, but this is just my personal take on it.
i wish no harm to people who identify as endogenic, live however you want to live.
this is how I've interpreted the topic as someone who isn't really qualified to have a take on it, i just wanted to share some of my thoughts.
UPDATE: I've read through the reblogs and comments on my take, and I still dont fully understand the identity itself, but it makes more sense now. Thank you to everyone who helped to explain it, I appreciate your help
I see everyone in the reblogs/comments talking about how being an endogenic system doubles as being alterhuman, but I really don't understand how that could be the case. If anyone's willing to explain it further please do
#TAGS ARE OUTDATED- LEAVING THEM UP JUST IN CASE#i feel like i need to spread awareness because it concerns me how many people encourage hurtful behaviour like this#because its dangerous just how many people encourage it#im totally open to learning about other people's takes on the topic#again- please help to educate me if you feel as though i'm wrong#tags after this one are just for traction#plurality#syscourse#endos dni#endos fuck off#anti endo#traumagenic system#non traumagenic dni#traumagenic did#endogenic system#anti endogenic#pro endogenic#endo system#actually traumagenic#actually dissociative#non traumagenic safe#actually did
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We don't like engaging in syscourse but we saw what sum systems have done and it's made me angry.
If you have an opinion on a system origin, just state ur opinion. Just say it. If u want to spread information on that thing, make posts, share them, something. Try to be informational if you care that much.
Pretending to be a system origin to bait people? Doesn't help anyone. It's the stupidest fucking thing to do on the planet and just makes disinformation worse, actually. Shocker.
Idc what ur stance is on whatever system origin. If you care about people being informed and educated, playing pretend and misleading people for funsies and for laughs is not the way to do it.
Jfc.
-🖖🏽
#while I think non-traumagenic systems exist#and believe saying they don't is disinformation#if u believe that just say that#same goes for RAMCOA#i don't know much about it but just fucking being educational will go a hell of a lot better#than pretending to be a programmed system and giving disinfo to people who don't know#smh. fml. idk#plurality#plural system#pluralgang#actually plural#system stuff#system things#system blog#systems#syscourse#cw syscourse#endo safe#pro endo#the creature speaks!#sysblr
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I started following you because I had a plural student but I've stayed because every time you hit back on one of the attacks I feel like I gain more insight. I don't teach the student anymore but I wanted to thank you for the help you provided
Thanks!
And can I just tell you what an awesome teacher you are! 💖
Being a teacher is already pretty hard, and I don't think that most teachers, on hearing that they had a plural student, would go so far out of their way to research and learn more about plurality to understand them better! That's not to disparage other teachers. It's just that it's one of the most difficult and thankless jobs out there, And I know how much of a struggle it can be at times.
So spending your free time trying to learn more to better your understanding... I think that's really incredible!
#pluralgang#plural#multiplicity#plurality#endogenic#pro endo#pro endogenic#systems#system#system stuff#system things#plural things#syscourse#teaching#education#teachers#actually plural#actually a system
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The Big Guide to Humans: Mating — Reproduction, Sexuality, Genitalia, and Sexual Contact
In its basic unassisted sense, human reproduction requires one male and one female (see sex and gender; it is recommended to read that entry first). Each partner contributes half of the genetic material to create a new human, and that genetic material is roughly half of a copy of their own genes.
A male's internal genitalia produce millions of mobile packets of genetic material in a protein-rich nutrient gel, and the external portion serves as a tool to introduce it deeper into the female's internal genitalia. A female's internal genitalia produce a single packet of genetic material with a starting supply of cell building blocks, and offers a space for the male's mobile packets to meet and fuse with it, a process called fertilization. If this happens, the combined genetic information will latch into the female's circulatory system via the wall of this meeting place, and proceed to grow over the next 3/4 of a year into a human baby (see lifespan and development), enclosed within the female, who will become obviously distended. At the end of this time, her body pushes the completed baby out via the path between the internal and external genitalia. The female's external genitalia serve as a gate to this passage. There is a small window of time in which this fertilization is possible; only a few human sleep cycles. If this time is missed, the meeting place will cease preparations to contain a baby and remove its existing preparations, falling briefly fallow until preparing for a new fertilization window. This process takes approximately 28 human sleep cycles, depending on the female and how she has adapted to the local day/night cycle. The preparations-removal time can be uncomfortable for the female; do not be alarmed if you smell blood. In humans, both male and female external genitalia are also connected to the excretory system.
Humans categorize their within-species sexual attractions as being attracted to the same gender as themselves, a different gender (most common), or multiple genders. For some this may be an absolute barrier to an attraction outside of that category; others may consider themselves certain until they feel an unusual attraction to a particularly compelling potential partner. (It is also possible to have no attraction in this way at all.) This is usually, but not always, the same limitation applied to their romantic attractions; though the exceptions and sometimes-not-at-all applies to those as well. Whether a human requires/prefers romance to be involved with sexual contact varies by individual. See flirting for more on determining a human's romantic and/or sexual attraction. For humans whose attractions extend to other sapients, the "gender" barrier may be ignored, or they may (usually unconsciously) estimate how a non-human would map into the human gender chart and find their attractions limited by this assumption.
The rest of this chapter will assume you and a human have agreed to sexual contact. While this is not intended as a sexual manual, it is within this guide's mission to prevent surprises and ensure safe, successful interactions.
Process:
Human reproductive mating requires inserting the male's external genitalia (penis) through the female's external genitalia (vulva) and into the internal (vagina). However, nearly anything that can safely produce similar physical sensations can be enjoyable, and humans will also use their hands, mouths, and specially designed objects for the pleasure of non-reproductive mating.
The penis hangs relatively soft and small between a male's legs when not in sexual use; arousal will cause it to stiffen, enlarge, and stand approximately perpendicular to the body. It is sexually sensitive along its entire length, but particularly at the distal end, which is rounded and may be a different color. The internal genitalia are in a pouch underneath the penis. The pouch is also sexually sensitive, but delicate. The vulva is a series of skin-folds that reveal the entrance to the vagina when separated. The folds, particularly the inner ones, are sexually sensitive, as is the entrance. Arousal causes slight swelling of this area, and the skin here will produce lubricating fluid; do not attempt insertion of anything until adequately slippery. Slightly above the entrance to the vagina is a small, hooded protrusion called a clitoris; this is extremely sexually sensitive to the point that rough contact will cause it to retreat under the hood.
All of these sexual areas can be stroked or lightly pressured (squeezing for the penis, filling/outward pressure for the vagina) for sexual pleasure; the human may request more, less, firmer, faster, etc. In addition, humans also often enjoy stimulation of the nipples (the paired protrusions on their upper torso). Individual humans may also have other sexually-stimulating zones, such as the backs of the ears and neck. Human aggression may or may not extend to sexual contact, some enjoy pinching/being pinched, biting/being bitten, striking/being struck, etc, even to the point of injury. This is something to discuss beforehand and in the moment.
Continued sexual pleasure will eventually cause the human to "climax", which for the male produces that jet of nutrient gel and genetic material, and for the female involves involuntary clenching of muscles in and around the internal genitals. After this, the penis will become soft and possibly painfully sensitive, requiring recovery time before it can stiffen again; whether a female will want to continue (and whether she will climax again) varies.
Humans often enjoy "cuddling" after: a period of quietly resting together skin-to-skin.
Risks:
Hybridization and prevention: Either sex can take reproduction-preventing medication, but it is very rare for human females to produce human/non-human hybrids, owing to the scientific details of reproduction and the immune system. Hybridization is usually the result of a reproduction-capable non-human mating with a human male. If this would be a risk for your species, and the human male is not on preventive medication, he can wear a "condom," a penis-sheathe designed to prevent the dispersion of his genetic material.
Disease: Although inter-species disease risk is low, it is still important for the human to be screened for anything dangerous to you, given the sheer volume and aggressiveness of Terran-native microbes. Humans have a microbiome of bacteria, viruses and fungi on their skin — and, for females, within their internal genitalia — all of which are usually harmless to them. They also have a separate oral microbiome that is considerably more dangerous and should be avoided unless medical has screened and approved it specifically. (Humans can also spread pathogenic microbes to each other by sexual contact, but the non-human risk from those is not particularly more than from the others.)
Fluids: The human male's sexual fluids are usually slightly alkali and the human female's are usually slightly acidic. A condom or similar device can be used for protection from this risk as well. Their mouth fluid is acidic and corrosive regardless of microbiome, belonging to their digestive system.
!! Always, always talk with medical first. They can answer questions about your species-specific risks regarding hybridization, dangerous fluids, or Terran-native microbes. They can do this well in advance of sexual contact or even attraction to specific partners; only the disease screening is specific to individual humans. !!
There is considerable variation in human genitalia: In length and thickness, in curves and angles, in hair presence, in color, in sensitivity. There is also considerable variation in what a human may enjoy or be capable of sexually. And, as the universe has learned, humans are creative. If there is mutual interest but your body cannot do the things described, or if medical has given you dire restrictions, talk to the human about it. Humans live by the Terran saying, "where there is a will, there is a way." Do not assume that mutual enjoyment is impossible.
#addie writes#big guide to humans#humans are space orcs#long post#this is intended to be matter-of-fact not naughty#but the read-more is early for delicate sensibilities#sex education#genitalia is plural but since you can't have “a genital” I'm giving everyone Professional Language Nerd permission to use it as both.
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You're using "reclaim" wrongly.
It's come to my attention that anti-endos do not know what "reclaim" means, so let me explain. Reclaiming is the act of a group of people taking a word, phrase or term, etc., that was previously used against them in a negative way and then making it into something positive for themselves instead.
Examples include:
Queer
Faggot
Dyke
Tranny
Shi/hir (Prns for the intersex community)
Etc.! (I can say all these things and ofc anyone can say shi/hir but must be intersex to use them for themself, anyone can say queer)
You are not being insulted by or attacked by innocent lgbtq/mogai terms pro-endos have made that have literally nothing to do with you neither are being used against you, etc.
You cannot "reclaim" these. You can coin a term similar, but you're not reclaiming if you just repost these with new flags or something. You're genuinely just straight up stealing and it's not okay and it's not cute and it's harmful to misuse that word, acting like you have the right to do this. I haven't seen any pro-endos do this so maybe it's just ignorant anti-endos once again feeling the need to in any possible way shape or form harass pro-endogenics but if any pro-endos are doing this as well I also advise you to stop. Like literally please stop.
Stop misusing the word reclaim to defend stealing terms. You look like a fool and you are a thief. Anyways, anyone can use our terms or coin ones similar, but not stolen. I cannot make you, but hopefully if anyone actually cares about morals, anti-endo or whatever else, that they'll heed my words. Have a nice day everyone.
Reposts encouraged but not forced!
(Don't harass anybody doing this as well if you care about morals, you aren't helping, just inform them and move on, you cannot convince a fool to see sense by being a jerk yourself.)
#endo safe#pro endo#pro endogenic#system#pluralgang#plurality#did#did osdd#endogenic#endogenic safe#endogenic system#pro endo mogai#endo friendly#non traumagenic safe#educate yourself#educate yourselves#reclaiming#osddid#osdd community#osdd system#osdd#osdd 1b#osdd 1a#did system#did community#system community#systems#plural system#other specified dissociative disorder#dissociative identity disorder
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Prompt #1,432
Mostly unaware of their plurality, the headmates of System A don't put too much thought into the fact that they share the same body, because it tends to stress them out and lead them down the path of existentialism. However, when they're introduced to System B and taught about plurality as a concept (and discover that they're not the only ones out there like this), System A struggles to keep up their casual attitude about who they are. They've never questioned it before, but now that they know there's a word for it... what do they do?
#pluralgang#plural system#pluralprompt#plurality#prompt blog#prompt#plural education#plural plurals#self discovery
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INTROJECT TERMS WE HAVE COINED (WITHOUT USING "TIVE")
for starters, ive seen people use fictroject and factroject to avoid using fictive and factive because of their ties to endos, so do as you will with that.
the rest is all my stuff :D
MUSIJECT: An introject sourced from music-- whether that's a song, album, genre, lyric or anything else pertaining to music
AESTHEJECT: An introject sourced from an aesthetic of some sort
COLOJECT: An introject sourced from a color / an alter whos identity is based around a specific color
ARTROJECT: An introject sourced from a physical piece of art, like a painting, drawing, sculpture, wood carving, etc.
GAMTROJECT: An introject sourced from a game-- video game, board game, card game, etc.
STORTROJECT: An introject sourced from a story. This story could be verbal or written. The story could be a fairytale, manga, retelling of a real event.
PLATROJECT: An introject sourced from a real or fictional place. The place can be as big as a planet to as small as small as a room (or even bigger/smaller.)
THESE TERMS ARE FOR TRAUMAGENIC SYSTEMS ONLY!! WE ARE ANTI-ENDO.
#actually a system#actually traumagenic#anti endo#system#system education#did osdd#did system#didosdd#dissociative identity disorder#osdd#system things#osdd system#traumagenic system#plural system#system stuff#actually plural#sysblr#alters#dissociative system#alter roles#did alter#alter role#alter terms#alter term#alter role coining#role coining#alter coining#system coining#system terms#anti endo system coining
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How to Talk to Plurals (1/2)
(description: Girl typing on phone: I'm plural! Mom replies: That's scary. Deirdre: Bzzt! Nope, wrong! Plurality is not scary.
Deirdre: If someone comes out to you as plural, they have put a great amount of trust in you, and your response may have great weight to them. It is imperative that you understand their condition before you make declarative statements about it.
Mom (thinking): That sounds scary... but let's ask what she thinks.
Mom (typing): Oh, really? Tell me more about it!
Girl: I think it's fascinating! / I'm still figuring it out... / It's exciting... but a little scary.
Deirdre: These are examples of ways they may respond depending on their situation. Plurality is a very broad concept, and everyone's case is unique.
Deirdre: For some, it may be scary! In that case, be extra careful not to exacerbate their fear. You hold the power to accept them.
Header: Some good general questions include... "How would you like to be addressed? Do you have new pronouns or names?" / "Are you a plural system? What are the other members of your system like?")
#comics#pen and paper#color#plurality#pluralism#plural system#multiplicity#headmates#alters#system education#comic#mental health comic
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decided to look more into endos. Maybe I misjudged them🤷🏼♀️ I look at one post of someone trying to defend it and Satan co-fronted to see what I'm reading this time and we both cringed so hard so yeah no. Endos won't be welcome here
~luna𖤐
#endos dni#endos do not interact#endos fuck off#anti endo#did system#pdid#cdid#pdid system#actually did#actually polyfrag#cdid system#polyfrag system#education#polyfragmented#system things#system stuff#still life#osdd system#plural system#traumagenic system#syspunk#sysposting#the future is not plural#actually traumagenic
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